I thought I’d share this conversation with everyone in lieu of a rant, because I think it speaks for itself. Also, I want to note in this conversations, I did say that this is only one of the reasons I am an atheist. I do want to remind you that I am having a discussion with a 15 year old. However, just for the record, I have had very intelligent conversations with many teenagers about this and other similar topics, both atheists and Christians (and, hey, even more. Yeah, I know it’s a shock, but there are other faiths out there). However, most of the conversations I have with teenagers don’t sound like they are simply saying “BaAaAh” “BaAaah” “BAAAAAAAH!”
(CENSORED): why are u athiest
UncouthRanting: To be simple: I am an atheist because I do not believe in a God. I have found no religion that has a dogma that I find compatible with how it is to really be human. I have found no experience that indicates a necessary existent being. I am happy living life hear and now. Also, check out my website… www.uncouth.net
(CENSORED): 03/28/01 – 04/02/01
Atheism is never nailing yourself to a cross to get people to like you.
- Jesus did not die on the cross to get people to like him. I thought you might want to know that.
UncouthRanting: I did not say he did.
(CENSORED): ok
UncouthRanting: (BTW.. those are by Jeff, not myself)
UncouthRanting: Here is what that means.
(CENSORED): I think I get what it means
UncouthRanting: What do you think it means?
UncouthRanting: (For reference, I have done almost two years of Bible study and am working on completeling a Religous Studies Certificate… I am not just rebelling to rebel.)
(CENSORED): Well……. maybe you should post sayings on your website from people that know what there talking about.
UncouthRanting: That is part of what I am doing though. I do not want to lead people by the collar and say “This is what I mean, get it!?” .. I want people to think for themselves.
(CENSORED): Yes, but when the statement is soooooo far off its like your telling lies to get people to become Atheist.
UncouthRanting: But the statement is not soooo far off.
(CENSORED): Like I said though Jesus did not die on the cross to get people to like him.
UncouthRanting: The statement is saying that people:
a) Do not need to profress Christanity just to get liked
b) People do not need to whine about their “sacrificies” to get liked.
Be a good person. That is what counts.
UncouthRanting: I never said he did. Nor does that statement.
(CENSORED): what kind of sacrificies are you talking about
UncouthRanting: I’m talking about any sacrifice you need to tell people about to feel better about yourself. It’s not who you are.. not what you have done to get liked.
UncouthRanting: Er.
UncouthRanting: It IS who you are.
(CENSORED): Are you talking about christians or another religion because true christians do not tell people about thier sacrifices to feel better about themselves.
UncouthRanting: If we are talking honestly, then it must be said that True Christians are few and far between.
UncouthRanting: And that is my point.
UncouthRanting: Many, many people profress to be Chrisitians.. but are only professing that to get some sort of self worth and social acceptance. Not because they believe.
(CENSORED): That may be true with some people but that is not always the case.
UncouthRanting: I guarantee you that there are more people professing to be Christians then truly, actually believe the whole of the Bible and Christian doctrine.
(CENSORED): That depends on the person.
(CENSORED): either they have asked Christ in there life or not.
(CENSORED): I have met people that you have described to me.
UncouthRanting: That message is to those people who profess to be Christians but have not accept Christ. I am not a believe myself. But I do not judged those who believe, as long as they are true to themselves, happy, and do not harm anyone else.
(CENSORED): I am a Christian and i have asked Christ in my life but sometimes i slipp up and do the wrong thing but that does not make me a non-christian.
(CENSORED): I ask Christ to forgive me of my sins everyday because it is impossible not to sin.
(CENSORED): for*
UncouthRanting: You see.. that is one of the many reasons I cannot be a Christian. While we are human, and do things wrong, I do not see this as bad. I see it as a chance to grow and to learn.
(CENSORED): That is not a reason why you could not be a Christian………
(CENSORED): He still loves you even if you sin
(CENSORED): even if you think its a chance to grow and learn.
UncouthRanting: I cannot support a doctrine that says people are evil.
(CENSORED): You are taking bits out of the bible to make an excuse to not be a Christian. let me explian……..
(CENSORED): It is explaining in the bible that the devil will tempt you and you will sin everybody sins its are nature! and that is why Jesus died for us on the cross………not to get people to like him.
(CENSORED): so we can ask for forgiveness
UncouthRanting: 1) What will it take for you to understand that I did not say that Jesus died to get people to like him?
2) What about that does not say that human’s are evil? Sin is going away from God. Sin IS evil.
3) I don’t need forgiveness for what I do. I live and learn. And I am a damn good person for it.
(CENSORED): THAT IS WHY HE DIED FOR OUR SINS SO WE CAN ASK FORGIVENESS FOR OUR SINS!!!
UncouthRanting: It always supports the truth of a doctrine that you need to yell it at someone.
(CENSORED): just trying to prove a point so you would stop repeating ourself
UncouthRanting: You don’t need to yell to prove a point. Just prove it. However, I am repeating myself because you are repeating yourself.
(CENSORED): I don’t get it, you think that by sining you become a good person by learning from the sins?
(CENSORED): and by forgiving your sins makes you not learn from them?
UncouthRanting: No, I don’t believe I am sining.
(CENSORED): well what ever you call it
UncouthRanting: I do not believe that I am evil. I believe human’s make mistakes. I believe humans can do wrong. But I do not believe that they are inherently evil.
(CENSORED): 3) I don’t need forgiveness for what I do. I live and learn. And I am a damn good person for it.
(CENSORED): i don’t get that
UncouthRanting: I do not need someone else’s forgiveness. The things that I do that are right, I do proudly. The things that I do wrong, I take accountability for. And learn from them.
(CENSORED): I get why you don’t need someone else’s forgiveness because you don’t believe in him. I probobly would think the same thing if christ was not in my life.
(CENSORED): I find this really interesting, where do you think we came from?
UncouthRanting: I honestly don’t have an answer for that. I currently support the idea of evolution, but I know science has been putting some serious holes in it of late, so.. I do not know.
(CENSORED): why do we still have monkeys?
(CENSORED): if we evolved from them
UncouthRanting: As I said–I do not know. I am not a biologist or an anthropologist.