13:14:34) *CENSORED*: http://www.torquecentral.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11571
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EXCERPT
The Hollywood group is at it again. Holding anti-war rallies, screaming about the Bush Administration, running ads in major newspapers, defaming the President and his Cabinet every chance they get, to anyone and everyone who will listen. They publicly defile them and call them names like “stupid” , “morons”, and “idiots”. Jessica Lange went so far as to tell a crowd in Spain that she hates President Bush and is embarrassed to be an American.
So, just how ignorant are these people who are running the country? Let’s look at the biographies of these “stupid”, “ignorant” , “moronic” leaders, and then at the celebrities who are castigating them:
[Education background of everyone]
While comparing the education and experience of these two groups, we should also remember that President Bush and his cabinet are briefed daily, even hourly, on the War on Terror and threats to our security. They are privy to information gathered around the world concerning the Middle East, the threats to America, the intentions of terrorists and terrorist-supporting governments. They are in constant communication with the CIA, the FBI, Interpol, NATO, The United Nations, our own military, and that of our allies around the world. We cannot simply believe that we have full knowledge of the threats because we watch CNN!! We cannot believe that we are in any way as informed as our leaders.
These celebrities have no intelligence-gathering agents, no fact-finding groups, no insight into the minds of those who would destroy our country. They only have a deep seated hatred for all things Republican. By nature, and no one knows quite why, the Hollywood elitists detest Conservative views and anything that supports or uplifts the United States of America. The silence was deafening from the Left when Bill Clinton bombed a pharmaceutical factory outside of Khartoum, or when he attacked the Bosnian Serbs in 1995 and 1999. He bombed Serbia itself to get Slobodan Milosevic out of Kosovo, and not a single peace rally was held. When our Rangers were ambushed in Somalia and 18 young American lives were lost, not a peep was heard from Hollywood. Yet now, after our nation has been attacked on its own soil, after 3,000 Americans were killed, by freedom-hating terrorists, while going about their routine lives, they want to hold rallies against the war. Why the change? Because an honest, God-fearing Republican sits in the White House.
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(14:11:34) UncouthRanting: Pro/Anti war arguments aside, I have to state from a logic point that is a flawed argument. But it’s interesting, nonetheless.
(14:23:16) *CENSORED*: how so do you believe flawed
(14:26:53) UncouthRanting: It’s a classical Ad Hominem fallacy. The argument is not valid or invalid based on the person. While study at a University, etc., make for a possible better perspective, it does not necessitate it. For example, I have known people who have graduated and really have no idea what they are doing (just a brief example, not intended to make or break my point :} ). Simply put, while the education back ground of the government leaders vs the education background of the celebrity war protestors is both interesting and a facet that you can look at the people making the arguments, it does not mean that the argument is any better or worse. (Again, this has NOTHING to do with war/anti-war sentiment, just looking at it from the logic of the argument)
(14:29:54) *CENSORED*: true, i only did one year of college and i think i turned out just fine ;) just helps put the ramblings of thesbians in perspective
(14:31:49) UncouthRanting: I don’t know if I agree with that; what is important is that we focus on the issue. Many people seem to disagree with me, but we DO have the right to have individual beliefs and voice them. While, again, the information is interesting, I think it can serve only to degrade to personal attacks and mud slinging, rather than focusing on the ethical, political, and social issues surrounding the war.
(14:32:28) *CENSORED*: they’ve been making personal attacks on the president
(14:32:33) UncouthRanting: And just as I disagree with the arguments against the celebreties, I disagree with the arguments against Bush.
(14:33:46) UncouthRanting: So? Does that mean you sling back? That seems kind of ridiculous. If it is so bad that they are making personal attacks, then makeing personal attacks back seems wrong :}
(14:33:59) *CENSORED*: i just find it silly how some people run their mouth on the issue thinking they know more than the president about the situation, …. that’s why i enjoyed the article because they mentioned how the pres. gets briefed all the time whereas the actors get cnn like we do
(14:34:30) UncouthRanting: And that is a much more valid point that the validity of their statements because of their education or the celebrities “shambled” lives… but it is important to never forget that the issue here IS the issue.
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Thoughts?